Will A Weed Save California From Bankruptcy?

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The Pros and Cons of Legalizing Marijuana To Financially Save the Golden State.

The Newest California Legislation: AB390-Marijuana Control, Regulation and Education Act.

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The Argument for Legalizing Marijuana:

Assemblyman Tom Ammiano’s landmark bill (AB 390) to tax and regulate marijuana just like alcohol and tobacco is being considered by state lawmakers.

Courtesy, Times-Standard:

A grainy black-and-white film fills the dark room. The audience shifts in their seats nervously as a young woman walks into her room and looks in the mirror and suddenly starts to scream! The words “Marijuana Madness” appear on the top of the screen.

The myths are starting to lift like fog dissipating in the light of day. The lies and racist reasons for making marijuana illegal are dropping out of the sky like a steady rain, forming puddles destined to dry up.

Californians, and the other states that allow medical marijuana, have received some good news. Assemblyman Tom Ammiano’s landmark bill (AB 390) to tax and regulate marijuana just like alcohol and tobacco is being considered by state lawmakers.

This is a legitimate effort to legalize marijuana. The bill would make recreational use of marijuana legal. Users would have to be 21 years old, the same as for alcohol and tobacco. It wouldn’t change the medical marijuana guidelines for those involved in that growing industry, according to Ammiano.

There’s no way to tell how many California residents smoke pot, but according to the Zogby Poll “Fifty-eight percent of respondents residing on the West Coast agree that cannabis should be taxed and legally regulated like alcohol and cigarettes.”

The failing national economy makes headlines every day across America. Wouldn’t it be nice to lead the country out of this depression with an unprecedented economic recovery in California? We could be the model and other states would follow with similar legislation.

Betty Yee, who chairs the state Board of Equalization, which collects the sales tax in California, is in favor of this landmark legislation.

Right now Californians pay $170 million a year for arrests, prosecution and imprisonment of pot offenders, according to statistics released from NORML. Poof! That would go up in smoke, and reduce the prison population as well.

Right now there’s talk among lawmakers of an early release program for as many as 58,000 prisoners in the next couple of years because of overcrowding and fiscal shortfalls. There are plenty of good reasons to support AB 390. As It Stands, it’s time to legalize marijuana and jumpstart California’s sagging economy into the 21st century.

The Argument Against Legalizing Marijuana

Courtesy San Jose Mercury News : California Cannot Afford to Legalize Marijuana.

Legalizing marijuana will not solve our budget woes, nor will it be good for public health. Introducing marijuana into the open market is very likely to do some other things, however: increase the drug’s consumption, and with it, the enormous social costs associated with marijuana-related accidents, illness and productivity loss.

The example of legal alcohol and tobacco reveal an unsettling pattern. Legal drugs are by definition easy to obtain, and commercialization glamorizes their use and furthers their social acceptance. Their price is low, and high profits make promotion worthwhile for sellers. Addiction is simply the price of doing business. Any revenue gained from taxing these drugs is quickly offset by the heavy costs associated with their increased prevalence. Because today’s high-potency marijuana is much more harmful than once thought, a spike in use from legalization would result in a financial burden California cannot afford to bear.

Assemblyman Tom Ammiano’s justification for AB 390 relies on the myth that marijuana laws are costing taxpayers millions of dollars and wrecking the lives of otherwise law-abiding citizens. But a closer examination of the facts reveals a very different reality. Although there are thousands of arrests for marijuana possession every year in our state, most of these arrests result in little or no consequences. Most of those who are charged with possession plead down from more serious charges, such as trafficking. Researchers from Rand report that many marijuana arrests result from drinking and driving violations at alcohol checkpoints. “The police also find joints, and then (the offender) is in jail for both offenses. People’s images of the casual (marijuana) user getting hauled off to jail are not true,” a Rand researcher recently commented.

Rand-sponsored research reveals that in the Netherlands, where the drug is sold openly at “coffee shops,” marijuana use among young adults increased almost 300 percent after a wave of commercialization. The country has also become a haven for producers of high-potency marijuana, and other drugs like ecstasy and methamphetamine. These unintended consequences have led many Dutch officials to advocate for rolling back the status quo.

O.K., time for your opinions. Chemically Green wants to hear from you, for or against.


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94 Responses to Will A Weed Save California From Bankruptcy?

  1. Tupply March 10, 2009 at 1:45 pm #

    There are cons?

  2. Mary Jane March 10, 2009 at 1:52 pm #

    i honestly think that this will work to help the economy. There might not be a lot of “casual users” in jail, but the dealers wouldn’t need to be there if it was legal, a lot of the crime involved would be taken away because there wouldn’t be the fear of getting cought. i don’t really see there being a big spike of new users just because it would be legal, we would just realize just how many people already use it, and i’m sure that’s a lot. Pot doesn’t affect driving nearly as much as alcohol, it makes people far more cautious, though i wouldn’t be opposed to stoned driving regulations as a safety thing. uum. yeah. that’s where i stand.

  3. Juliano Ciaramello March 10, 2009 at 2:26 pm #

    Every one who doesn’t already smoke pot should ask themselves, “If pot is legalized, will I start smoking it?” Simply put, the people who will start will probably be the same people who already want to try it. The only reason they haven’t already is because of fear of arrest or social pressure. Which are both ridiculous reasons.

    Why should someone not be allowed to smoke a joint? There have been no studies I have ever heard of suggesting pot is anywhere near as dangerous or habit forming as cigarettes or alcohol. So, if it is less dangerous, this would suggest that all drugs be illegal if pot is to be illegal.

    The only other angle the anti-pot people can play is that pot will have overarching effects on productivity. Really though? Is everyone just going to quit doing things because they get high on occasion? Consider what already legal drugs do to productivity. Ever heard of liquid lunches? How many people wouldn’t even make it through the day without a cigarette break. How many people wouldn’t be productive at all if they didn’t have there caffeine fix? Yet, these things always seem to be ignored in these arguments. Why are people so concerned about the social effects of pot specifically when there is already a plethora of drugs whose effects on society are felt every day. People die from alcohol poisoning all the time, how many people have died, or even been hospitalized for marijuana poisoning? Zero. How about the societal effects of Oxycontin? Or for that matter any number of drugs that are legal and prescribed. Oh that’s right someone is making a fat paycheck from those…

    As far as health goes, is there really any comparison? How many of the baby boomers have or will have lung cancer? How much has been and will be spent by the government just to keep them alive? Meanwhile, there have been studies that not only show no link between pot and cancer, but even suggest that pot fights and/or prevents cancer.

    Ultimately, it seems ludicrous to me that people can take Ritalin and all kinds of mind altering drugs to concentrate, take synthetic heroin for the pain from when they sprained their back, wake up everyday to a quick fix of caffeine, have a smoke with our liquid lunches, and cap of the day with some kind of habit forming sleep aid all of which is perfectly legitimate. Marijuana however, which doesn’t seem to have severe health side effects, except the munchies which are awesome and bad simultaneously, and isn’t even addictive, save for the fact that it is fun to do in the same way as dancing, is illegal!

    Also, I have a feeling that most of the people who plead down from trafficking to possession are from a specific variety of people. Which would explain why such a large portion of the people in jail for marijuana related offenses are of a certain other variety…

  4. James March 10, 2009 at 2:43 pm #

    “productivity loss.” People aren’t machines, we build machines to end our drudgery.

  5. oleg March 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm #

    “today’s high-potency marijuana is much more harmful than once thought”

    The intoxicated/overdosed ratio of alcohol is 1 : 4 to 10

    The intoxicated/overdosed ratio of Tetrahydrocannabinol (cannabis’s active ingredient) is 1 : 1000 to 4000.

    Based on the assumption that cannabis was 10% THC in the 1960s and 1970s even if cannabis was now 100% pure THC (which is biologically impossible ) that would lower the amount of smoke you would have to inhale.

    Even assuming you would smoke the same amount (anyone who has ever smoked knows that you do not smoke low grade cannabis the same way as high grade , you smoke much less) the toxicity ratio would be 1 : 100 to 400.

    This absurdly high toxicity ratio is due to a lack of CB1 receptors (which thc binds to) in the brain stem (life support systems of the body).

    Cannabis also can’t be accurately be compared to most other drugs because unlike most drugs it is a plant. It grows out of the ground , the most that is done to it is drying. There are no dangerous chemicals , no hazardous treatments , just watering.

    Cannabis legalisation would also de-congest our crowded prison system.

    This is not even looking at the amount of revenue that hemp would bring in if it was legal to grow. Hemp is a very strong and durable fiber which can be used to make (among other things) clothes , paper , rope , etc.

  6. Kevin March 10, 2009 at 2:46 pm #

    As far as the revenue is concerned. The bill says that a $50 tax will be assessed per ounce of pot. So if we do a quick calculation. In 2007, the NDIC reported nearly 1 million pot plants were seized in the top ten producing counties in Northern California. Each plant produces about 8 pounds of smoke-able weed. 8 million pounds equals 128,000,000 ounces. Multiply that by $50. Wow! That’s 6.4 Billion. Granted a lot of that gets shipped around the states. But clearly there is a lot of pot being grown here and taxing it at $50/ounce has the potential to raise an enormous amount of money.

    Not to mention that pot is the most smuggled “drug”, by far, from Mexico. This would remove a huge cash crop from drug cartels, which then allows the more focused use of DEA funds on cocaine, etc…

    An argument used in the “against” side was that pot arrests has pleaded down to possession from a more serious offense like trafficking. Well that would pretty much erase that need.

    I wish both arguments had more data to support their arguments.

  7. Steve March 10, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    Best quote of the day: “the enormous social costs associated with marijuana-related accidents, illness and productivity loss.”

    This person obviously knows nothing about marijuana. For one thing, even if these “accidents, illnesses, and productivity losses” are true, they already exist. The first article stated that 58% of CA residents wanted pot to be legalized, which probably means a similar number smoke pot in some form. It’s hard for me to imagine the usage rate going much higher than that!

    I’ve never really heard of any pot-related “illnesses”, nor do I very often hear about pot-related “accidents”. Pot smokers are very rarely motivated to do much more than eat a little bit more than usual.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm #

    @Tupply: Thanks for your comments. There will always be cons. Would you expect it any other way?

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    chemicallygreen.com March 10, 2009 at 3:19 pm #

    @Mary Jane: Thanks for your comments. I don’t want you to drive stoned for safety sakes.

  10. Jake March 10, 2009 at 5:13 pm #

    Haha what a ridiculous argument. If any fool actually thinks that the cons of marijuana are any worse than cigarettes or alcohol you need to do some research. Cigarettes are addicting, marijuana isn’t its just habitual, which is completely different. People dont do things they regret later on marijuana as they do on alcohol.

  11. William White March 10, 2009 at 5:59 pm #

    The fact that it is still illegal only proves the stupidity of the gov’t reps. All the research says legalize it. I’ve smoked it for 35 years with few problems beyond being a bit lazy now and then.

    I run my own business and have a 128 IQ.

  12. cherlos March 10, 2009 at 6:16 pm #

    The only reasons im starting to hate all these “legalize pot” arguments is the reasons behind it.Everything i hear is sooo one sided, like “marijuana is less addicted than cigarettes, so cigarettes should be illegal,” or how marijuana is so much a better and less addicting a drug than alcohol. That same arguments has gotten me annoyed at this whole concept of legalizing of pot, that an shitloads of annoying friends keep repeating same crap. Try coming up with something original that brings up the pros and cons; that way people can see that you people dont only care about your selfish “legalizing” pot goal.

  13. Kevin March 10, 2009 at 7:04 pm #

    @ cherlos:

    Good points. I listed a few of my “pro” arguments in my post above, which are arguments that you don’t list. Hopefully they will pass muster.

    So let me add a few arguments for the “con” side so that my argument will have more impact.

    Con: legalizing it will end a large portion of the war on drugs. And then some people will be out of work.

    Con: it would eventually de-stigamtize a large portion of society causing a bunch of racists to have to find other reasons to hate… (only to find they can come up with plenty.)

    Con: taking pot away from drug dealers will not allow those dealers to push harder drugs on to their faithful users, thereby potentially removing it as a “gateway drug”.

    Con: somebody will have to come up with another “gateway drug”.

    Con: if people smoke pot legally, they will see that the propaganda used to criminalize pot is wrong. That will then cause them to question other dogmas they have been told. And building dogma takes a lot of money. So more money will be wasted building up another dogma. (Maybe “thought” would good to make illegal. Now if only there were a model for that…)

    Con: you can smoke pot literally right off the stem, whereas all other legal “drugs”, tobacco, alcohol, prescriptions, etc… all need to be processed. So legalizing it won’t create jobs working in a processing plant so that unnecessary chemicals can be put in… to… the…. uh… fool me once… shame on .. you? We can’t get fooled again! USA!

    As you may have guessed, I am being a tad sarcastic. You see. I took your argument and sort of switched it around so that all of the “con” arguments were really “pro” arguments. So there are a few more arguments for you that aren’t the ones you have cited.

    I understand your point, presenting arguments for both sides generally does imply a more balanced thought process. But the honest truth is that I can find no legitimate argument for keeping it illegal. And I’ve been looking.

    The reason your friends use the “pot isn’t addicting and cigarettes are” argument is because it is a perfectly valid and sound argument. The con side tries to talk about how dangerous pot is while seemingly ignoring alcohol, tobacco, and prescription pain drugs. Of course they aren’t going to make those illegal, yet they are easily as harmful if not more so than pot. Therefore any argument using “dangerous”, “health”, “safety” etc… are completely invalid.

    And just to remove any suspicions you might have about me. If it were made legal, I probably would not smoke it. I have a strong mental aversion to it from a long time ago.

  14. Stephen March 10, 2009 at 7:10 pm #

    I will keep this short because I can ramble for hours about Marijuana…

    I live on a college campus, and it has opened my eyes to exactly why Marijuana should be legal. I live in Milwaukee, where possession of small amounts of Marijuana is decriminalized, but still subject to municipal fines. I, as well as my room-mate and many (I would say an outstanding majority) of my friends at school smoke Marijuana on a regular basis. Although we joke about how lazy we are and how little we get done while stoned, none of us are failing out of school and most of us have jobs. The few people I do know that do not smoke Marijuana have no interest whatsoever, and the reason they don’t smoke it already is certainly not because it is illegal. I grew up in a small town where my father was the chief of police and I noticed that there was an equal amount of good students and bad students who smoke Marijuana, and what else I noticed is that the ones who were bad students had been bad students long before they smoked.

    Okay before I continue on the ramble for too much longer… think of every negative effect that Marijuana has had on society, now ask yourself whether it is caused by the Marijuana, the illegal sale or purchase of the Marijuana, or the PROHIBITION of the Marijuana.

    Why are so many drunk drivers caught with Marijuana? Because the drivers with JUST Marijuana are driving just fine!

    Why did hard drug “use” in the Netherlands “increase” after the legalization of Marijuana? Because the cops were able to spend less time on Marijuana and were able to FIND more of the people that were already using hard drugs.

    I love Marijuana… what other plant can you grow that has so many uses? Cannabis has been grown and used both for both recreational and practical uses for thousands of years. How does the American government have the right to say who can and who can’t enjoy it as well?

  15. JoeBlow March 10, 2009 at 8:28 pm #

    Even the vague hint or suggestion that pot could be as addictive as either alcohol or tobacco seems ridiculous to me. I have tried to quit drinking, multiple times, never with success. For me it is the hardest drug to quit that I have ever done, and the list isn’t small. Followed by a close second of tobacco. I’ve been smoking for less time then I have been drinking or smoking pot yet still have never been able to quit. Pot on the other hand was little more then a decision to stop using. Once I didn’t want to smoke it anymore I didn’t, it was as simple as that. I stopped. I quit only because it was starting to make me feel socially awkward and so for my own benefit decided to quit. I still have many friends who smoke, many who I regard quite highly and as a non-pot-smoker see no reason why it shouldn’t be legal.

  16. Matt March 10, 2009 at 8:37 pm #

    The only people who strongly stand against the legalization of marijuana are the law makers trying to keep the powerful AARP lobby in their pockets, and the producers of an illegal drug that area making millions off of contraband sales. Do you really want to side with the drug lords?

  17. Mike March 11, 2009 at 5:40 pm #

    What would that really change? Isn’t possession still a federal offense? This is the same thing as what happened with Medicinal Marijuana. Sure it’s legal in our state but if a federal officer decided to charge you..

    I am all for it, great source of income for the government! I guess I don’t understand any of the ranting though, alcohol is way more addictive and can be proven as such. People drive drunk and kill people everyday!

    If your with me say “Go Cali!”

  18. brathor March 11, 2009 at 6:42 pm #

    I’ve never smoked in my life and I have no interest in doing so. Nevertheless, I know plenty of people who do and none of them have any trouble finding marijuana when they want it. That being the case, there doesn’t seem to be any reason NOT to legalize the drug. If, like me, you don’t want to do it, then don’t do it. And if you do, at least your money will be going to public works, U.S. companies, and U.S. farmers instead of some random dealer.

  19. Kitten March 11, 2009 at 7:55 pm #

    I once was asked to pick a topic and write a persuasive presentation for a school project. The goal was to persuade the audience toward my point of view while presenting pros and cons along with researched, factual information. I chose to do my report and presentation on the legalization of marijuana. Believe it or not, my topic was approved by my teachers, and not only did I persuade my audience (both teachers and students) that legalizing marijuana would be beneficial if properly regulated, I also landed an A+ on my project. Truth is, there have been studies that suggest adverse side effects with prolonged, excessive use such as depression, psychological addiction (much like alcoholics) where one wants it all the time without addictive chemicals being the cause, over-eating, and lack of motivation. On the other side though, it’s medicinal use benefits AIDS and cancer patients with increased appetite, pain relief to a certain degree, and relief for trouble sleeping.

    Now we ask ourselves if recreational use should be legal. If used responsibly, it could act as an aid to insomnia, a relief for the growing stress levels of today, and even inspire great literature and new ideas. If used irresponsibly, it could lead to obesity do to over-eating and inactivity, lack of motivation, depression, and, as with burning anything, there could be links to lung damage among other things.

    Now weigh the pros and cons. If using responsibly, it would be a rather safe alternative to drinking. They say to drink responsibly all the time, but we all know that the message doesn’t always sink in. If you have a drink or 2 in the evening, everything is still O.K. But most alcohol users who go overboard only plan to have one or two. Thing is, once you have one or two, you look to your glass and think “one more and then I’m done”….. again… again… and then there is a drunken disaster. When you say to yourself, “I’m ripped… I don’t want to smoke anymore” the next step isn’t more… It’s bed! If you drink too much before an early morning to work… “I’m late!”… Calling off… “i feel like s***”. If you smoke too much and fall asleep, you have no hangover, you still go to work, and you don’t feel like you’ve been hit by a bus.

    I had to give up smoking pot to land a good job and keep it. on the other side, I started drinking. I never used to drink before, nor did I want to when I took a few tokes after a days work. Never liked the taste of alcohol. But anymore, I long for the days where a few tokes didn’t cost me my job. Sure drinking makes you sleep like a log, but so does pot… And oh the hangovers from drinking just a little too much.

    I am not asking anyone to say yes, or no for that matter, to legalizing marijuana. Just think about it. How many people drink because they want a good time without losing their jobs. How many people have a criminal record because they tried it or had a little bit on them. How many people lost their jobs because they smoked it within the last 30-60 days, even when no one could tell by interacting with them.

    This is my input. Think as you will. Do as you will. But please never stop thinking. Look at every side of every view point. Then answer.

  20. Easy March 11, 2009 at 10:02 pm #

    @ Kevin

    “… Each plant produces about 8 pounds of smoke-able weed….”

    That is FAR too broad of a generalization. Depending on the method of cultivation a plant can yield anywhere from under 30 grams to 10 pounds or more. It all depends on the genetics of the particular plant and the cultivation method. To say a million pot plants worth of tax would equate to billions of dollars is misleading and somewhat irresponsible.

  21. Infosaturated March 11, 2009 at 10:48 pm #

    As Dr. Phil would say “how’s that working for you”. The “war on drugs” is an expensive abject failure. To repeat the same actions over and over again expecting the result to change is foolish.

    Let’s look to the past for an example. Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol either. However back then they were bright enough to admit failure and legalize.

  22. Woof March 12, 2009 at 11:50 pm #

    I am a middle aged college graduate who smoked daily while in college. Now the only thing keeping me from getting a decent job is the fact that I can’t pass a drug screed due to pot. I have a medical card and no history of missing classes, work, or causing accidents. Add one gainfully employed tax-paying citizen to the benefits of legalizing.

  23. RBM March 13, 2009 at 10:38 pm #

    LOL ! Money, it’s always the driving force !

    My POV is based on being raised by parents who were alcoholics and my first 19 years of my adult life as a practicing alcoholic, with limited weed consumption.

    The weed is no comparison to the vagaries of alcohol. But there are too many people that make too much money, too many ways for the Feds to allow this to become rescheduled.

    If I turn out to be wrong, this will only be a better place to live.

    RBM

  24. RoscoeJnr March 16, 2009 at 11:26 am #

    Hi, I’m from the good ‘ol U of K, thought you might want some input from over the pond.

    I’m 29 years old and pretty much most of the people I know smoke weed on a regular basis, I just smoke on the weekend these days, mostly because of cost and the fact that I need a clear head when I get to work. I hold down a professional job and haven’t had a sick day in eight years.

    It’s easy just to cite one side of the argument or the other depending on which side of the fence you stand, it’s natural human bias to preemptively discredit the other’s argument in your mind. There are obvious cons to smoking weed regularly as well as pros.

    The weed being produced today is getting stronger no doubt, I can see a big difference from when I first started. People are starting to loose it mentally a bit, mostly from overdoing it as a teen though which is when the higher brain function is developing. I have friends who can;t smoke anymore for fear of panick attacks. That said I’m definitely pro legalisation. We have a three tier system over here: Classes A, B and C. A is for your ‘hard’ drugs: coke, heroin,extacy, LSD (and now recently made illegal magic shrooms), B is for the softer drugs: amphetamines etc and C bizarrely includes ketamine. Cannabis was recently upgraded from class C to class B against the drugs advisory panel consisting of top police, doctors etc – rendering the panel pointless. The problem I have with criminalization of cannabis being that if alcohol were illegal and all you could get was moonshine then of course people will still drink and of course people will start to loose their minds. If it was legal then people could choose what strength to smoke depending on their mental state.

    I have a good friend who was alcoholic, had been arrested several times due to alchohol based bad decisions and a bad family situation. He smoked some weed about a year ago and is a changed man and occasional toker. He almost never drinks and never to excess, he has a job that he loves and has a good family life with no trouble from the law. Weed gave him the opportunity to slow everything down, look at his life subjectively and break the cycle.

    Bottom line, weeds going to screw some people up and help others. It’s a basic human right to choose though and one that is denied by criminalization.

    In closing… the war on drugs recently obtained a ten year tenure to carry on doing what has been proven to be completely unsuccessful. To paraphrase Einstein ‘The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over again and again expecting different results.’ What does that say about the people who continue the war on drugs? (or are there other motives)

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    chemicallygreen.com March 17, 2009 at 11:07 am #

    @Roscoe Jnr: Thanks for your comments and appreciate your thorough input. Hope the U.S. will look at the U.K.’S marijuana plan and make the best of a mixed up situation. But as usual, big government will make the decision for their pocketbooks, and have little regard for our citizens.

  26. Kevin March 17, 2009 at 11:09 am #

    @ Easy

    You’re partially correct. My statement does appear to overstate. Here’s what I was quoting.

    “Law enforcement officials are also encountering an increasing number of large cannabis plants, some of which are more than 8 feet tall and require a chainsaw to cut them down. According to the officials, such plants produce approximately 8 pounds of processed marijuana.”

    http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs27/27504/production.htm#Figure5

    These are clearly established plants and not all of the seized plants are this big. My mistake/overstatement…

    But I think I’ll stand by my numbers. Especially considering that “quick math” estimation is only for Northern California. Calculate the entire state… Then calculate if it were actually legal to produce. And the legal growers would cultivate plants that were at least this big, or bigger. And factor in that these were only the plants that were seized, i.e. there are A LOT more plants that haven’t been seized.

    Here’s another good link talking about the size and production of plants. Essentially, if there are good growing conditions, a plant can produce an amazing amount of product.

    http://cannabisnews.com/news/23/thread23963.shtml

    Even if you cut the production of 1 plant in half. We’re still in the billions of dollars.

    Yep… I stand by my numbers. But thank you for pointing my overstatement out and allowing me to clarify.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 17, 2009 at 11:12 am #

    @RBM: Thanks for your comments. CG agrees with you completely. It is o.k. to drive drunk and kill fellow Americans, but a little weed is a big No No.
    Think Americans should start raising a lot of heck about drunk drivers. Want to stop drunk driving, if you kill a person in a car wreck and the driver is drunk, execute him. But no, we must rehabilitate the alcoholic which is very difficult. All about money, the heck with the innocent person that died in the wreck.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 17, 2009 at 11:14 am #

    @ Woof: Thanks for your comment.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 17, 2009 at 11:23 am #

    @Infosaturated: Thanks for the comments. CG could not have said it any better. Billions of dollars wasted on the drug wars, but Mary Jane is not the main problem. The Mexican drug cartel is running the show in the U.S. just down the road from us in Atlanta.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 17, 2009 at 11:47 am #

    @Kevin: Thanks for your additional comments on cannabis.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 17, 2009 at 11:49 am #

    @James: Thanks for your comment. Well, the government has to blame the loss on something.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 17, 2009 at 11:51 am #

    @oleg: Thanks for your informative comments. Very informative and gives a broader view on cannabis facts instead of the generalizations often made today.

  33. Jenna March 18, 2009 at 8:09 pm #

    Would anyone be able to provide me with some groups that are against or not against legalizing marijuana? I’m interested in learning more about this topic. Thanks.

  34. Kevin March 19, 2009 at 10:58 am #

    @ Jenna

    I’m sure CG will have input on this but I just came across this, http://www.balancedpolitics.org/marijuana_legalization.htm . It has some of the basic arguments for both sides, although they are far from complete (certainly for the the pro-legalization side). But it should get you started.

    There are a lot of sites against legalization that are government funded, e.g. US DOJ, above the influence. Some of their arguments are somewhat valid, but really only from a drug abuse stand point. They describe a lot of correlations with drug use, e.g. kids who smoke pot are more likely to skip school, or have more anxiety. The original articles are funded by the US and admit that the study can not determine causation, i.e. smoking pot causes anxiety. Yet when these studies are referenced, by other websites, they easily imply causation and completely overlook the idea/fact that teens and adults abuse drugs because they have other issues. Drug abuse is the problem, and they are saying that pot is the cause. Which is ridiculous, in my opinion.

    There are certainly other arguments, but I’ll let you have fun researching.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 19, 2009 at 11:36 am #

    News Flash: Updated information on Government shifting attitude for marijuana.

    http://tinyurl.com/c7j5ey

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    chemicallygreen.com March 19, 2009 at 12:25 pm #

    @Kevin: Thanks a bunch for your comments. To all the readers, this link will give you a detailed list of:
    For legalizing marijuana or against legalizing marijuana.
    http://tinyurl.com/2f2f63

    One of the main reasons for Chemically Green was to spike interest and get folks to think about current issues that affect us all today.
    Thanks Kevin.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 19, 2009 at 3:17 pm #

    @Jeanna: Thanks for your question and comment. A few sites of interest are being added for you to check out.

    I checked out several groups but they were working for and against marijuana several years ago. Can not tell if these sites are completely releavent for our current discussion

  38. Abbey Normal March 20, 2009 at 3:41 pm #

    The con arguments seem very weak here. Arguments about increased potency, increased likelyhood of drivers under the influence and “little to no consequence” of drug arrests are pretty easily dismissed, since we know that increased potency is beneficial, people who are likely to drive under the influence are doing so right now without permission from the state, and that thousands of lives are affected every year by drug possession charges, not to mention arrests, siezures, invasion of privacy and accidental injuries and deaths resulting from botched drug raids.

    The prediction of increased health problems is worth looking at, but currently there’s little reason to think that increased pot use would significantly affect the overall health of the population. Only with the real numbers can we really know. Ironically, we won’t get accurate information on how many people smoke cannabis until it’s legalized.

    If you’ve ever heard the story about Hercules fighting the Hydra, you know that sometimes you can’t kill the beast. The best you can do is corner it. There has never been a drug free America and there never will be. The only thing we can do to defeat dealers and traffickers of illegal drugs is to take their business away. Just think, we can destroy the black market for marijuana overnight! Why wouldn’t we?

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    chemicallygreen.com March 20, 2009 at 4:33 pm #

    @ Abbey Normal: Thanks for your comments. Chemically Green posted the ideas that is appearing in the California newspapers since another bill has been introduced to legalize marijuana in the golden state.
    Don’t know if you saw this link, but more info on the pros and cons for legalizing marijuana.

    http://tinyurl.com/2f2f63

    Also, several folks have made great comments on this subject in this post.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:18 pm #

    @Kitten: Thanks for your detailed comments. Drinking has even bigger problems than marijuana. Our society thinks it is more cool to kill people via drunk drivers than pulling a few drags on a joint. Then again, what has government done right lately?
    Government are the biggest spenders and so we pay the price to elect these dummies that could care less about the American people.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:22 pm #

    @Steve: Thanks for your comments. Steve, I agree with you 100%. The information for this post was taken from newspaper articles in California. The against reasons for not using marijuana are poorly done and lame as you say.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:26 pm #

    @Juliano Ciaramello: Thank you for your comments. You nailed it to the wall about the pot issue. We drug our kids with dumbing down drugs, kill people with alcohol and people raise heck about legalizing marijuana. The politicians and government want control and keeping Mary Jane locked up is one way they want to keep the rope around the people’s neck.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:28 pm #

    @Jake. Thanks for your comments. True words you wrote.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:30 pm #

    @William White: Thanks for your comments. Make sure your IQ stays high.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:32 pm #

    @Cherlos: Thanks for your comments. You have to laugh at the idiots that write the articles against legalizing marijuana.
    These folks never get it right and write a lot of rhetoric, but list little facts.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:35 pm #

    @brathor: Thanks for your comments. Ride on and keep getting the word out. I do not smoke. I have asthma and keep away from any type smoke. But, doesn’t mean anyone else can smoke.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:41 pm #

    @Wolf: Thanks for the comments. Chemically Green will add you to the legalize list.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:43 pm #

    @Mike: Thanks for the comments. You got it right Mike. America gives drunk drivers a pass, even when they cause a wreck and kill someone.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:45 pm #

    @Stephen: Thanks for your comments. Keep telling it like it is. You said it right, the truth hurts.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:47 pm #

    @JoeBlow: Thanks for your comments. I agree with your comments. You got it right.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:52 pm #

    @Easy: Thanks for your comments. There is enough info on this post, in the comments section, to spike interest in anyone wanting to know about the pros and cons of cannabis.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:54 pm #

    @Kevin: Thanks again for the pro and con lists you posted in the comment section. Great work for our readers.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:56 pm #

    @Matt: Thanks for the comments. Sad but true, power and money, the elixir for government, politicians and greedy associations.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 23, 2009 at 3:59 pm #

    Chemically Green came across the following link on cannabis being used for medicinal purposes. For those who are interested.

    http://www.weedtracker.com/forums/showthread.php/marijuana-inc-msnbc-99147.html?s=276d901446a9e4d27c428ad84f99ff18&t=99147

  55. Hank March 25, 2009 at 12:57 pm #

    Referring to the site that lists pros and cons, I have to say that the wording is misleading in a lot of areas. In the “pro” column, item #1 “The drug generally isn’t more harmful than alcohol or tobacco if used in moderation.” seems to infer that MJ is approximately as dangerous as alcohol or tobacco. However there have been more documented deaths from drinking too much water, and there are no documented instances of death from smoking pot.

    http://www.erowid.org is generally a good source of relatively balanced information on many psychoactive substances, with references. I’d recommend visiting the site. The object is to provide factual information for harm reduction.

    Regarding item #2 in the cons column. Interestingly enough, at least one study of stoned drivers, found they drove better while stoned. That’s not saying that they would be able to handle emergency situations if they arose, but being aware that they were high caused them to drive slower and more carefully.

    Item #3 morality. I’m not sure why that would be considered a valid reason, in general, except for people that think it’s immoral for personal reasons. Killing, stealing, actions that negatively affect others, yes. I don’t understand how smoking pot could be considered immoral.

    Item #4. Apparently some people don’t understand how easy it is to buy pot. Legalization isn’t going to make it any easier for kids to buy.

    Item #5. “Because of drug-related arrests, people who have committed or are likely to commit more serious crimes can be taken off the streets.”, is pretty bogus IMO. The legal system isn’t supposed to incarcerate you for something you might do, or might have done.

    All in all, it’s hard to come up w/ a list of “cons” that has some real, observable reality.

    This page on Erowid is a good place to start. http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml
    Citations are included, so you can check for yourself.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 26, 2009 at 9:58 am #

    Cities in Massachusetts cracking down on marijuana with new strict laws.

    Read it here: http://tinyurl.com/db63xl

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    chemicallygreen.com March 26, 2009 at 10:05 am #

    @Hank: Thanks for your comments. Very useful information and the discussions just get better and better.

    Its all about the money, but alcohol, water and cigarettes get a pass from the feds, but its o.k. for drunk drivers to run over kill and maim our loved ones.

  58. Hank March 27, 2009 at 12:47 am #

    I’m not sure if legalization and taxation will bring as much income as some people think. I read that a $50-$98 per ounce tax is being proposed.

    If you Google “marijuana growing forums”, you’ll get almost 2 million hits. Obviously, there aren’t 2 million forums, but there are quite a few.

    It takes about 960 hours to grow MJ indoors. A 250 watt lamp will grow about 4 ounces every 3 months. That’s 240 kilowatt hours. At 10 cents/kilowatt hours, that’s $24 for 4 ounces plus a $20 bulb, plus $10 for plant food. About $13.50 per ounce. People will grow their own..Just as they’re doing now.

    I don’t think there’s going to be as much money made from taxation as some people think. However, that shouldn’t have much bearing on whether MJ is legalized or not.

  59. syncko March 27, 2009 at 3:24 am #

    productivity loss indeed! I work with an 80% smoker friendly crew that will regularly put out 18 hour and longer days full of physical labor and mental tasks, interacting with visiting crews, also approximately 80% smoker friendly, and walking or riding bicycles home at the end of the day, high the entire time. the problems come when booze or coke get involved.
    In the immortal words of Peter Tosh, Lawyers, Doctors, Policemen, Singers, and Players of Instrument too. All walks of life, all levels of ambition. Functioning potheads. You’re surrounded by them. Get over it.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 27, 2009 at 9:29 am #

    WHITE HOUSE GETS IT WRONG!!

    On Thursday, the White House said “NO” to legalizing marijuana. The top question that was emailed in before Obama’s news conference held on Thursday was was the White House going to legalize marijuana?

    How many billions of dollars is being spent for the so called “War on Drugs”? Billions and billions with no real results.

    Legalize cannabis and charge taxes and how many billions of dollars will be collected by the government?

    But, one major problem, with the hard drugs coming in from Mexico. How do you take care of this mess? America has a gigantic appetite that needs to be fed on these drugs and legalizing marijuana does not address this issue.

    Marijuana is not the main problem, but America has a gigantic addiction problem to the hard stuff.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 27, 2009 at 10:12 am #

    @Hank: Thanks for your comments.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 27, 2009 at 10:17 am #

    @syncko: Thanks for your comments.

    Hey man, I don’t smoke anything period. I don’t have an issue with people who smoke cannabis. I don’t have anything to get over in regards to this post.

    However, the cannabis issue on legalizing this product will continue to be debated.

    See Chemically Green comment today on White House says no to legalizing the weed. Again, thanks for your comments.

  63. Hank March 28, 2009 at 1:41 am #

    Starting to get further off topic, but I think that all drug problems should be viewed as medical issues, not criminal. Lifting prohibition should remove the profit motive, and reduce if not eliminate the violence that’s a result of trafficking.

    Court mandated addiction treatment usually doesn’t work well. However, I think if the threat of incarceration is removed, there would be more people that would voluntarily seek treatment.

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    chemicallygreen.com March 28, 2009 at 1:24 pm #

    @Hank: Thanks for the comment. You got it right. However, don’t think ideas about what might work will end up being the answer. Enough federal elected officials that have a positive position on legalizing weed will help make a change in this Stupid policy.

    As I have said in the past, it o.k. to kill people and families via drunk drivers, but heaven forbid if someone got a hang nail smoking pot. Three years in the slammer if caught. Drunk drivers get released and get another chance to kill someone else.

    President Obama has joked about his own marijuana use, but since his inauguration, federal police have raided five marijuana dispensaries in states where state law allows for these operations. The White House did say, last week, that this practice would be halted.

    But to drive a stake in the heart of the debate to leagalize marijuana, President (in name only) Obama said he will not legalize marijuana.

    Think about this, boot leg liquor is still around in parts of the country but it does not benefit the cops, lawyers, jails, wardens and judges like marijuana does. Lock em up to keep the cash flow flowing.

    http://tinyurl.com/c2xl8b

    The IDIOTIC WAR on drugs rolls on. The federal government will never get it right.

  65. Hank March 29, 2009 at 3:17 am #

    Frankly I don’t understand the mindset that’s driven the policy against MJ. So many of the modern studies have indicated that MJ is a miracle plant. It appears to be a potential cure for a host of ailments. I don’t understand how the DEA can continue to say there are no legitimate medical usages, especially when the U.S. government supplies MJ to some individuals for medical purposes.

    I can understand Obama not being willing to address legalization at this point. What I can’t understand is the DEA preventing access to legitimate researchers. An american university recently applied for permission to grow MJ for purposes of medical research. The supreme court recommended that the DEA should allow it, but of course, the DEA ignored the recommendation. There are a wild range of ailments that appear to be controlled by cannabinoids, but we need to research it.

    There was another recent bust by the DEA of a California caregiver. According to reports, there was an issue w/ non-payment of sales tax. I would have thought sales tax was a state issue. I don’t know why the DEA would have been involved in this case. I’ve been waiting to see what Holder’s and Obama’s reaction is going to be, in light of their statements regarding federal actions in medical marijuana states.

  66. Discount Sunglasses April 15, 2009 at 3:08 pm #

    I cannot believe that people are actually considering legalizing marijuana to stimulate the economy. There was a comment about living on a college campus where “everyone does it”. No, NOT everyone does it. I am a college student as well, and I live next to the biggest potheads in California. I was always vexed about the smoke filtering in my room, its putrid and flat out it makes you lazy.

    I am already petrified for the well being and morality of america as it is… I can’t imagine a whole nation full of potheads. when the cons stated that marijuana decreases productivity there was no implication that man is a machine. decreased productivity means half-ass work and laziness. I would NOT want to live in a society where increasing amounts of citizens aren’t contributing to the society to their full potential.

    Obama already dismissed the idea of having marijuana legalized. This reminds me of the Catholic Church’s sale of indulgences.
    sin? pay $5 and you’re sins are absolved.
    Wanna smoke weed? pay for it and its ok.

    i can’t undestand it.

  67. Kevin April 17, 2009 at 2:06 pm #

    @ Discount Sunglasses

    Good for you for trying to defend the other side of the argument. Welcome to the discussion.

    If you read through many of the comments on the board here you will find a lot of references and statistics. You’ll need to do the same if you want to be taken seriously. That means some type of information that backs up your claims, aside from the potheads at your college and your assumptions that they are lazy.

    If you look back at alcohol prohibition, and the subsequent repeal, you will see that it was a complete failure. Not one good thing came from it. People still drank during that time. But instead of it being controlled and taxed and safe, it was black market and the money made a lot of mobsters very rich and powerful. http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/LIBRARY/studies/nc/nc2a.htm.

    And once alcohol was legalized there wasn’t a huge increase in alcoholism or a huge decrease in productivity. The main reason for this, is because the people who wanted to drink, were already drinking. Making it illegal did nothing to stop the consumption. However, making it legal made it easier to get, make, and tax. Plus, it created jobs.

  68. Aaron April 17, 2009 at 7:37 pm #

    Short and dignified: Marijuana has never affected my performance to work, accomplish tasks, or mediate through life and society. That is just a brandished excuse conceived by social “no” men that don’t care to let anyone in life, live their lives. To all that say it is harmful, unproductive, and useless; I say you don’t know what you are talking about and your opinion is one of the many that will never matter. I will live my life my way not yours.

  69. Beth April 18, 2009 at 5:58 pm #

    I am not a avid user of cannabis. My boyfriend is and it sometimes angers may, though he is cutting back for me. thats what i call commitment. I never have been and don’t think i ever will be. Don’t get me wrong, it is enjoyable once in a blue moon. My point here is that, though i barely ever smoke, i would want it to be legalized to get the money out of criminals hands.

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    chemicallygreen.com April 20, 2009 at 3:18 pm #

    @Discount Sunglasses: Thanks for your comments. There are pros and cons for the legalizing of MJ. I have asthma and do not smoke, but there are reasons why MJ should be legalized.
    Also, checked out your website and really cool with great prices. For our readers, if you want great sunglasses: http://tinyurl.com/cstxcc
    I will be ordering a few pair in the near future.

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    chemicallygreen.com April 20, 2009 at 3:21 pm #

    @Kevin: Thanks for your comments to Discount Sunglasses. I am working on a followup detailed post about MJ that has a lot of new information about the legalization aspect.

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    chemicallygreen.com April 20, 2009 at 3:24 pm #

    @Hank: Thanks for your comments. I agree, the politics stink and the DEA has a strangle hold on the legal issue of using MJ. Main stream America is starting to shift towards the legalizing of MJ. I am working on a future post with update info on this issue.

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    chemicallygreen.com April 20, 2009 at 3:26 pm #

    @Beth: Thanks for your comments. Your comments are in agreement with a majority of the comments in this post.

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    chemicallygreen.com April 21, 2009 at 4:14 pm #

    @Aaron: Thank you for your comments. The issue with legalizing MJ is not going to go away. Keep getting the message out and perhaps, as main stream America, accepts this idea, we will see some positive action towards the issue.
    I do not smoke, but if a person can go out and buy liquor and pay for the item, then like wise, a person should be able to purchase MJ.

    How many people in the U.S. have been killed by drunk drivers? Seems unless this happens to your immediate family, no one really cares. Drunk drivers kill people. How many MJ smokers have ended up in car accidents or run into another vehicle causing death?

  75. Branagg Brandon July 17, 2009 at 7:06 pm #

    I agree with Mary Jane no fear = no black market(for marijuana) = less violence

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    chemicallygreen.com July 20, 2009 at 2:50 pm #

    Branagg Brandon: Thanks for your comment. What do you mean no black market for cannabis and less violence?

  77. Branagg Brandon July 20, 2009 at 6:13 pm #

    Well maybe black market was a bad example…. I mean there would be no groups dabbling in the “illegal” distribution of it. If it became legal an entirely new market would arise based on the economy, marijuana type, and cash flow, not distribution and protection which can lead to violence. Delivery companies would deliver rather than (i know it sounds stereotypical) gangs meeting head to head or people running from the police who are not protected and causing social disruption etc….

  78. v July 27, 2009 at 7:48 am #

    My argument is simple: Until they can justify why several drugs with life threatening side effects, or which cause eventual disease or sterility, are legal, there is no justification for prohibiting a natural resource that could revolutionize more than just social recreation-the impacts of hemp and its derivatives on the economy could be massively positive.

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    chemicallygreen.com July 28, 2009 at 12:54 pm #

    V: Thank you for your comments. I agree with you, but ultimately, the bottom line is money and control and this keeps marijuana from being legalized.

    The new drug czar has said that illegal pot will not be tolerated by the feds.
    Check out this link: http://tw8.us/sd

    I am also enclosing another link for your review:
    http://tw8.us/se

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    chemicallygreen.com July 29, 2009 at 2:04 pm #

    @David Brannon: Thanks for your comments. The only way for people to engage in the marketing of marijuana is for it to be made legal without worrying about being busted. Unfortunately, the new drug czar has said that the feds will not tolerate the selling of marijuana, even for medical purposes.

    I am working on a detailed post on the merits of marijuana. Will be posted next month.

    Some interesting reading for you:
    http://tw8.us/se
    http://tw8.us/sd

  81. Shran July 31, 2009 at 8:56 am #

    Hi,
    I do have some Cons, I know MJ can… be pretty addictive mentally since I am addicted to it mentally and I know a few people that also have quite a hard time when they haven’t had their joint/bong. Second, if you’d ask me which Cab I rather take, the one with a sober driver or the one with a stoned driver, please give me the sober Cab-driver since __any__ drug will have a bad impact on concentration and reaction time.

    But… when I look at friends that started drinking at the time I started blowing I’m very happy that I didn’t make their choice since they have _far_ worse problems staying sober.

    Another Con… MJ (as drug) hardly has a history in western society. Although alcohol’s a hard drug it has quite a long history, at some point it was even safer to drink alcohol as water. Because of this history the use is accepted, there’s a lot more experience and… there are quite a number of social guidelines when it comes to the use of alcohol. (Which doesn’t mean that all people follow these guidelines responsibly !)

    As far as I know very few people have gotten a set of correct guidelines before they started using MJ, most just start using and… have to find out themselves. Not having such a set of social guidelines is also what scares non-users a lot, according to one you’ll start killing people once you’ve used it and according to someone else it’s the most innocent substance in our solar system, so what should one believe ?
    My parents for instance… told me it was pure evil while my friends and some Pro-books told me it was totally innocent. Meanwhile I’ve been using it for 30 years and I’ve come to the conclusion both were wrong.

    Still, although I know it has some cons I’m convinced that it is one of the most innocent drugs available and I’m in favour for legalisation.
    As long as it is less dangerous as alcohol people should have the right to legally choose the drug they want.
    Once that happens we’ll slowly be able to start creating a good set of social guidelines for the use of MJ.

    Best wishes,
    Bart,
    The Netherlands.

  82. Carole August 3, 2009 at 2:46 pm #

    decriminalize pot – stopwarondrugs.org

    BUT HAVE DRUG COUNSELING AND TREATMENT CENTERS SET UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM. Some people go to shrinks if they have insurance, some drink beer and belch and some smoke to self-medicate.

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    chemicallygreen.com August 5, 2009 at 10:36 am #

    @Carole: Thanks for your comments. Who would be responsible for paying for the costs of the Drug Counseling and Treatment Centers? Don’t you think this would have to be handled by the private sector? If pot is legal, the feds might not be interested in paying for these centers.

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    chemicallygreen.com August 5, 2009 at 10:49 am #

    @Sharan: Thanks for the comments. I agree with you.

  85. Brad August 16, 2009 at 8:13 am #

    This is how i feel im a sixteen year old pot head i have smoked weed for 2 years and i have enjoyed every moment of it. Before i began smoking pot i made an average of Cs and Ds on my report card i did just enough to pass i began smoking because it was illegal and i wanted to be a “bad ass” more girls would like me because i broke the rules and smoked pot so i went through my phase where i didnt do shit in school and i pretty much went out looking to get arrested but after i actually did get arrested i realized this shit sucks so now i still smoke pot just as much and i maintain better grades because i want to go to college. And on the driving under the influence thing i just got my licence and do not hove much experience the first day i got my license i drove after smokeing two blunts and putting the roaches in a water bong and i drove home absolutely fine acctually every one that was with me most of whom werent high at the time said i drove much better high then i ever did sober. Now on the more hard drugs thought i hate every drug that is harder than pot i have tried meth and i will never do it again i have done coke and will never do it again because of the fact that one its not fun at all you get all fuckin excited and want to go do something but actually have nothing to do but stare at the god damn wall for 7 hours. And 2 it makes you look like a fuckin alien by the time your done using it. Oh and pot is a gateway drug ill tell you i started to do drugs by my choice no pure pressure i went looking for it and its only considered a gateway drug because its the drug you can find first when you do decide to do drugs if anything how about cigarettes are a gateway drug i started smoking them to look cool and before you know it i smoked pot. I see it like this the world is full of good people and bad people and thats just how it goes get over it if you disagree your a retard there are some people that go out looking for it and there are some people that dont now there are some weak minded people that get drawn in by bad people and they are just followers not leaders. Now im in tenth grade with a 2.9 gpa and ambitions to go to college to be an electrician now because i smoke pot do you think im a bad person. I dont think so but instead of me fixing the electrical problem in your house one day i might be in jail all because of a stupid law that says that weed is a drug i just read most of the comments above and didnt find one that said that weed should be illegal so maybe its time the U.S government opened thier fuckin eyes and stopped being so ignorant pot is less harmful to anyone than even drinking a red bull or monster energy drink. And hey lets see a common ground here the government thinks itll take money out of thier pocket how about make it illegal to grow more than 4 plants per household and all the people that are too lazy to do that and trust me there will be plenty sell it to them in stores and put your rediculous taxes on it i swear ill still buy it. Thats all for me i may not be as smart as all the people above me that put comments but im using what i got and thats common sense.

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    chemicallygreen.com August 27, 2009 at 10:35 am #

    @Brad: Thank you for your comments. The feds want to control the pot world. Imagine how much money would be realized in savings from money being used to stop drugs and taxes from selling pot. Its big money for the feds and all the law enforcement people.

  87. GreenChica September 16, 2009 at 11:33 pm #

    Ofcourse it can! No way it will pass though, the Federal Govt. already said they would not support something like this. Just look at the numbers we are talking about, $1.3 Billion per year!!! California politics of marijuana legalization.

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    chemicallygreen.com September 17, 2009 at 10:07 am #

    @GreenChica: Thanks for your comments. Chemically Green would like to invite you to #WeedChat on Twitter. New Day, 2nd and 4th Wednesday each month, 4:20 pm., PST, 7:20 pm, EST. Link for #WeedChat: . #WeedChat Twub, http://twubs.com/weedchat

    Making a difference in the quest for legalization of marijuana.

  89. D4nkNugs June 21, 2010 at 1:36 am #

    Not a single “fact” from the against position is true. I’ll leave it to other commenters to debunk these.

  90. Mariann Lurey August 23, 2010 at 1:23 pm #

    nice article, i just finished bookmarking it to read later. i’d love to revisit on new articles. how can i configure the RSS again? thanks!

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    chemicallygreen.com August 26, 2010 at 4:10 pm #

    From Mariann Lurey: Thank you for your comments.

  92. solartronenergy August 28, 2010 at 6:59 am #

    The problem is that the unrestrained spending by the government will not go away. The new taxation of Marijuana will not rescue California from its financial woes. Actually thinking about what the responsibilities are and being a good steward of the peoples purse is the only course to solve these monetary problems.

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    chemicallygreen.com August 28, 2010 at 11:48 pm #

    @solartronenergy: Thanks for your comments. U are right, spending in California is pure chaos. Also, if marijuana is legalized, the price will drop like a rock. Politicians could care less about being good steward of the people’s purse. Paying almost a million dollars salary to a mayor. They really care. Money, power, greed and lobbyists drive the current economical culture and its all about getting as much as u can, little guy be damned.

  94. Honor October 5, 2012 at 8:32 am #

    As a weed smoker, I’d also like to second the points made by others about the idea that weed decreases your productivity.
    Just as an example:
    I have smoked since I was 14, at least twice a week, and at University pretty much every day.
    I have been employed since I was 14 in various part time jobs. The longest time I have been unemployed is this past month due to moving to study at the University of Geneva, one of the best universities in the world.
    I have never got below the top grade (A* at GCSE and College , and 1st at University) in either English Literature, English Language, History, French, Spanish, Critical theory, Politics, Religious Studies, or Science, ever.
    All of the people I smoke weed with are at good Universities or in full time work.
    I know this is not an extensive demographic, but the fact that this is possible whilst high, does go to show that the drug does not make you incapable of productivity.

    Additionally, I’d like to address the politics.
    Racism
    I feel as though the racism applied to marijuana has given it a terrible name and is the sole reason for our alleged perceptions of the ‘lazy’ life style that it creates. Although a relaxant, so is music, meditation, prayer, etc. Relaxing doesn’t mean lazy, and as I’ve stated, it’s possible to be active on M.J.

    Decriminalization
    Most of the studies are terribly misrepresented. The truth about marijuana lies in the statistics – not one person has died from an MJ related death apart from the criminal culture of it. And this is the problem. Although this point has been made many times on this discussion I’d just like to point out once again that decriminalization would not, at all, cause a rise in it’s general usage. If somebody wants weed, they will get weed, even if it’s just casually to try it, they can get it. Criminalising something does not prevent it, it in fact, only makes it more interesting. Look at underage drinking, for example, in cultures such as the U.K and U.S.A where the drinking age is higher. Here, binge drinking and alcoholism are much higher, in Europe where young people are allowed to drink on a casual basis with their parents and in society, where they are not alienated and deprived of it, we instead have bar and cafe culture, where people actually go for casual drinks and it is only the British tourists who I see here in Switzerland who are making a mockery of alcohol. It’s this indulgence that is representative of the deprivation – binge concept.

    Counterculture, peace, and the law.
    It is interesting that weed is most commonly associated with hippies, and this is supposed to be a negative connotation. When we actually look at the counterculture they embraced, womens rights, religious freedom, animal rights, peace, and protests again the vietnam war – these things are beneficial ideals.
    Then, when we look at the legislation against cannabis under Nixon in this period, it gets rather interesting. These liberals, protesting against Vietnam and all other wars, began to be called criminals. Despite, at this period, studies starting to show that they found no negative effects of cannabis, nixon began to pass laws such as…
    Mandatory sentencing and increased punishment were enacted when the United States Congress passed the Boggs Act of 1952 and the Narcotics Control Act of 1956. The acts made a first-time cannabis possession offence a minimum of two to ten years with a fine up to $20,000;
    And when anti-government counter culture continued….
    July 1, 1973, the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD) and the Office of Drug Abuse Law Enforcement (ODALE) merged to create the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).[32] On December 1, 1975, the Supreme Court ruled that it was “not cruel or unusual for Ohio to sentence someone to 20 years for having or selling cannabis.”

    Prior to this, the only Marijuana legislation was regulation, not prevention.

    The misrepresented science tests. ‘Weed makes you stupid.’
    Really?
    Obviously from my perspective, I whole heartedly disagree, you only have to look at the amount of students who regularly smoke weed to see that it has no affect on academia. The main cause of this myth is racism, but the ‘study’ that supports it, is possibly the most miss-representative information regarding cannabis out there.
    They said, that smoking weed every day for a year kills your brain cells.
    They tested this on monkeys, and showed that brain cells died.
    This would be fine…Except.
    Rather than a joint a day, they in fact used a gas mask and pumped a years worth of marijuana into their lungs at once. This starved the brain of oxygen, and caused brain cells to die.
    This has nothing to do with the content of the smoke, merely that there was so much of it.
    Additionally, the fact that that didn’t kill the monkeys, is quite telling.

    Although I’m totally against this kind of animal testing, this study has been re-issued, here are the findings.

    “In the most recently published study, rhesus monkeys were exposed through face-mask inhalation to the smoke equivalent of four to five joints per day for one year. Seven months later, there was no observed alteration of hippocampal architecture, cell size, cell number, or synaptic configuration. The authors conclude:
    “while behavioral and neuroendocrinal effects are observed during marijuana smoke exposure in the monkey, residual neuropathological and neurochemical effects of marijuana exposure were not observed seven months after the year-long marijuana smoke regimen.” 53
    Thus, 20 years after the first report of brain damage in two marijuana-exposed monkeys, the claim of damage to brain cells has been effectively disproved.

    53 – Slikker, W. et al, “Behavioral, Neurochemical, and Neurohistological Effects of Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Nonhuman Primate,” pp 219-74 in L. Murphy and A. Bartke (eds), Marijuana/Cannabinoids Neurobiology and Neurophysiology, Boca Raton: CRC Press (1992).
    http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth8.shtml

    Thanks for taking the time!

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